Jane: You are just talking there about your absolute love of that job at Downing Street. They were to work within the PCC code at all times". Andy: On the morning that I knew I was going to prison, I went to the back of my garden (I live out in the country), I went over the fence and into a field and then eventually I arranged for a local cab. I found myself, very quickly, saying things in my own head that I had been saying to members of the cabinet not that long before, albeit them facing different crises, the principles were the same. Take control of what you actually have control over and, of course, the main thing that you have control over is your own mind-set and your own attitude. So your boys did come to Belmarsh? Lots of people were sending me books and I wasnt allowed to have them because they were, I thought rather ridiculously, banned at that stage by a former colleague of mine, Chris Grayling. [19], Coulson was portrayed by Andrew Bone in the 2015 Channel 4 television film Coalition.[63]. Andy: My sentence, having been found guilty of the crime, was probably about right. There were a lot of agendas being played. And I had so much incoming. Because his family relocated frequently, he had lived in seven cities by the time he was 17. And the other, in the same way as I have just said that I got enormous enjoyment from the political job, there is also a danger that because my newspaper career ended so badly, that you, sort of, chuck out all the good stuff there. Its amazing. Jane: Are you still friends? And suddenly youre sat in one of them. That moment when I spoke to my lawyers from prison. Age, Birthdate, Religion, and BirthPlace Read Also: Who is Ali Choupani Wiki, Biography, Age, Spouse, Net Worth I suppose because the thing was so public and had been so long running, Ellie and I took the view that we werent going to try and attempt to hide any of it from them. It was reported that as a condition of his early release on home detention curfew (HDC) Coulson would have to wear an electronic tag until he had served half of his full sentence. So, Harvey, Monty, Finn. I accepted the verdict in the end, or rather its consequences I accepted. Coulson had served as the editor of News of the World from 2003 to 2007, when he Read More Ask away. So when I was taken from the cell, youre then handcuffed and you line up and you wait to get on the bus. So ask me what my biggest regret is, I would absolutely say it was the decision that I took to have my two oldest sons, not Finn, come and visit me in Belmarsh, because it was only a couple of weeks after that visit that I got moved. I didnt accept the verdict but I certainly accepted its consequences. I didnt find it easy but Im glad, once we got to Hollesley Bay, Im very glad we did it. Throughout his career Andy has been, as he puts it, poacher, gamekeeper and game - experiencing crisis from every angle. The judge actually criticised the timing of the statement and said he was unsure whether it was out of ignorance or deliberate. Andy: Well Belmarsh was going through a pretty dysfunctional phase at that stage. As a result we spent inordinate amounts of time just sat behind a door. Early life. Andy Coulson is Founder of www.coulsonpartners.com and host of www.crisiswhatcrisis.com. September 18, 2020. And before I knew it, much sooner than I thought, there was sun coming through the windows and then, again, it sounds strange, I suspect, to some people, but I just found the whole thing so utterly absurd. [16][17] This trial started on 11 May 2015 because of the general election. So thats how I spent quite a bit of my time there. And my parents are grafters, that was always very clear. Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968)[2][3] is an English journalist and political strategist. And even more delighted that there was a whole shelf of Dickens because I love a bit of Dickens. In 2001, in the run up to the general election, he asked Tony and Cherie Blair whether they were members of the mile high club. Jane: You dont really talk about yourself very much. 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And then the third thing would be what I actually send to every podcast guest, when its appropriate to do so. Jane: So, tell me, what was a typical day at Belmarsh? Some of them not even necessarily related to the stuff weve been talking about here, its just life. Andy Coulson is Former Editor of News of the World, Former Director of Communications, Downing Street, and an expert speaker on communications, crisis management and reputation. We talk about it and funnily enough they, it would be wrong to say that they laugh about it, but they found some aspects of it quite fascinating. I never asked for any favours at all from anyone, but what I didnt think was fair was for me to be treated differently. I dont think its something that you sort of say right, great, Ive done that, thats finished. I use a guy who lives up in Scotland, Ron, who is just outstanding and I still talk to him from time to time now. There have been the odd conversations. Coulson, who now runs a successful strategy business, talks candidly and honestly about his regrets, resilience and recovery. [52], On 24 July 2012, Coulson was charged along with seven others for "conspiring to intercept communications without lawful authority from 3 October 2000 to 9 August 2006. You pull up and the gates open and you know youre going to prison, youre in no doubt that youre going to prison. Its appalling. And I have some views on what works and what doesnt work in prison, having been inside one for a while, though I do not claim to be an expert by any means, given the length of time I was there. Because Id worked very hard at the News of the World, working weekends and god knows what else. Andy: There were moments when I felt utter despair. I remember reading, after I came out, that I had been released after just five months on good behaviour. And I just thought to myself, how the hell did I end up here? Thats a memory I didnt want my boys to have and I regret that. You have got to make a plan and youve got to focus on the things that youve got control of. But we had a two-week crisis in our life, after Monty was born, in terms of the emotional impact of it, it was far greater because we felt we were going to lose him not long after he was born. Andy: Well, just the checking-in process because Id obviously tried to do some research beforehand. In this first episode of the second series, Andy puts himself on the other side of the microphone and talks to journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore about his five-year crisis. I quite like the one-in-five theory; that out of five people that you meet, three of them will be indifferent, one will think that youre an absolute superstar and the other one will never want to look you in the face again. And then we were brought in to see you. On 7 July 2009, John Prescott called on leader of the Conservative Party David Cameron to remove Coulson from his position, after The Guardian revealed further details about phone-hacking by the News of the World. So its just too easy, I think, either for him or for me to say, I wish it had never happened, because you make decisions in the moment. Jane: So, lets sort of go back in time a bit. I thought I was due what everyone was due in that kind of situation. [27], After David Cameron became Prime Minister in May 2010, he appointed Coulson as Director of Communications for the government at 10 Downing Street. Ex News International chief executive Brooks, former Sun . I wasnt released on good behaviour, thats the system. I just wanted to see them. The most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy?. I got my head around it pretty quickly and what I kind of understood fairly swiftly is that the thing that should make you nervous about being in prison is violence, obviously. Andy: Well I think for most people, not all actually, but most people who go to prison it's the kind of beginning of the end because yes youre in a van, yes youre going to Belmarsh, but you know now you are on the road, actually, to the end. Jane: I mean, two of those jobs there that you mentioned, the powerful jobs, obviously they do bring their own sort of sets of criticism with them. The problem was that I wasnt being categorised and I was told categorically, youre not going to get categorised. A bemused local cabbie found himself sitting in the middle of a cornfield and off we went to the station. I was an editor of the News of the World for four years. All I know is that when I took the job, actually, I said to him, Im taking this job, David, on the basis that I will not go into Downing Street because that was the deal Id done with Eloise. David Cameron's former spin doctor Andy Coulson was among seven people in court earlier charged in connection with the phone hacking scandal. And then I was told its 18 months and before you know it, youre through that green door and youre handcuffed and youre taken down to the cells. Its not on my record. Now, a lot of women, I think, in particular listening to this would think, well we wouldnt blame her for just giving up on you after all of that, but she didnt. How can I do that? But I accepted the system. How do you view it? But pretty quickly I got my head around it and although we spent a lot of time behind the door there were also periods of time when youre allowed out to exercise, walking around a concrete yard. So, in this episode Ill be asking the questions in an attempt to unravel Andys five years of crisis. That was very difficult. We were doing, it sounds ridiculous, Dragons Den presentations of ideas for what they were going to do when they got released, and mock interviews. The work ethic amongst us all is very clear. And then before you know it, I live a way away from London, finally we got in and I had a final meeting with my lawyers. So, I knew at that point that Id be going to prison and that was obviously not where I thought my life would take me. But thats the really easy answer to give, isnt it? Coulson was the editor of the News of the World from 2003 until his resignation in 2007, following the conviction of one of the newspaper's reporters in relation to illegal phone-hacking. They take your clothes when you go to prison, which I think is sensible. Jane: Because it had been quite a high-profile trial. And there are blokes there, for a whole range of reasons, who are trying to make sense of their lives again and who are disconnected from their families. Andy: No, I was acutely aware of that, having published so many of those pictures. They used to say about the News of the World, the old marketing slogan for the News of the World was all human life is here and thats true of Dickens. And politics is an hourly crisis, right? Jane: So, you have to sit there on your own. Because then you know actually, its not just a matter of getting through this, Im into it all over again. It was an amazing place to be and it was fascinating and rewarding and I was reasonably good it and I loved my colleagues. [25], Coulson became the Conservative Party's director of communications on 9 July 2007. I was all over it. And Eloise, who is a considerably more evolved human being than I am, knew that long before I did and shes trained me well in that regard. I think that we are all stronger for it. Mar 2016 - Oct 20182 years 8 months. Thats all nonsense. You talk about your wife, Eloise, and also your three sons. What happens to you when you come there? Andy: I think if people want to talk about my time at the News of the World, that conversation should always start with an apology and I have apologised several times. Nobody put a gun to my head and told me to do those jobs. And I thought to myself, Serco are rubbish at security but absolute bloody masters of irony. Andy: Absolutely, yeah. I knew nothing about it, obviously. For me and for Eloise, ask us honestly, was this the worst thing that ever happened to us? So, actually, often there are these little small acts of kindness in prison, he didnt have to do it but he let me go to the phone and call Eloise and say that this things out there, but just be assured its total rubbish. And Ive got to be honest with you, I think that is a change in me because as a newspaper editor, particularly, you are very judgemental. And its like eating rotten fruit. Andy: Oh yeah, without any shadow of a doubt and thats thanks to her, not me. I remember, vividly, a young man sitting on his own for the entire duration because nobody came to see him. And to have a prime minister on television, while my jury was still out, although theyd delivered a verdict on the intercepting communications, they hadnt delivered a verdict on another charge that was later dropped. And I can tell you, having done both, they are very, very different experiences. Andy: I think I would, to be honest, yeah, because Im just not outraged enough by much any more. Then we got word that, no it wasnt going to be, it was going to push on. So part of the evidence presented at the trial revealed that you had had an affair. Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968) [2] [3] is an English journalist and political strategist. Im certainly not proud of the mistakes that I made from a personal perspective. The key to it, I think, with therapy is you have got to find the right person. Youve got to be either kind of 200% enthusiastic about something or youve got to be outraged. When you saw very young men like that in prison, now that your own boys are reaching past adulthood, did you, sort of, connect with them? It is an audit on your life and your relationships and there were some people, I think, I expected more of them, if I can put it that way. Jane: Do you feel a need to keep on apologising? Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968) is an English journalist and political strategist. There were a few of those who ran away from the gunfire. And then before you know it youre back in court with a suitcase, waiting to find out how long youre going to go to prison for. Andy: I dont know the answer to that. Then before you know it, because my sentencing was first in the order of the day, if you like, in the Old Bailey, I was then sat in that cell and was there for quite a while because they keep you there until the end of play and then everyone gets put on the bus and ferried off. And I took the view that this is what it is and it is just another place, a pretty unpleasant one, but its just another place. My brother was there and one of my best pals, Kris, and there was a lot of manly hugging and goodbyes. Ask me where all the bad decisions are and there are quite a few, you might argue thats one of them. Andy: Probably a bit of both. Everything is there in that book and its a cracking read. He thankfully survived and is perfectly fit and well now, but it was touch and go for a while and ask me those moments, you know, when your son is going into an operating theatre, compare that moment with the moment of going through the green door that I described; there is no comparison. [50], Coulson was arrested at Scotland Yard at 10:30am on 8 July 2011. Browse 1,448 andy coulson stock photos and images available, or start a new search to explore more stock photos and images. This article is more than 8 years old Andy Coulson, the criminal who had David Cameron's confidence Former No 10 spin doctor is found guilty of hacking charge while Rebekah Brooks is cleared of. Appalling times, by the way, that are far in excess of anything that Ive ever experienced, and we became friends. The source alleged that Coulson had personally listened to messages obtained through phone hacking. And then youre off and youre into the admission process which, again, is not especially pleasant, I have to say. Dan Evans testified that even "the office cat" knew . Jane: I wanted to talk about Eloise now. Jane: OK, and finally you asked this of all your guests, the three crisis cures, if you like, and you know the rules; it cant be a person. Prison is a, very obviously, stark place but it is also packed with emotion. Those were my choices and when you take jobs like that, people are going to form a view. Jane: We now know, obviously, that you came through all of that, you served your time, the Scottish situation went away. Former News of the World editors Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson were having an affair for at least six years from the late 1990s, the phone-hacking trial has heard. "[29][30], In July 2011 questions were raised about Coulson's security vetting at Number Ten. The second, I think, would be music, which has also been incredibly important for me and for the family. He was acquitted in two, including one in Scotland, but was convicted of conspiracy to intercept communications, or phone-hacking as it became known, and at the Old Bailey was sentenced to 18 months. Im absolutely sure that Im a better advisor as a result of what happened. Find Andy Coulson's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading online directory for contact information. Not given a reason why and that you should prepare yourself for spending your sentence here entirely. Ex-spin doctor Andy Coulson found guilty of conspiracy to hack phones Phone hacking took place while he was the editor of the News of the World Police identified 4,000 possible victims of phone. Im undoubtedly happier. So even though Id spent eight and a half months in the Old Bailey in a trial, knowing that that was a possibility, sat in a dock for the large part, theres a padded green door on your left that you know goes to the cells and theres the exit on the right, although Id spent all that time wondering am I going to go left or right, when you hear the word guilty you know full well that youre going to be going left. 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