Rex Barrett. They require three years of rigorous academic study. Yes, and dont forget in churches operating under the beauty of complementarity, the men take the lead on everything. That is bad. Everyone contributes. Your father is the devil, and what you are wanting to do is what your father longs to do. Chandlert is in hidingprobably at his steak ranch. Max: If we used that criterion alone for Christian leaders, we would have to empty numerous American pulpits. Headless Unicorn Guy: The Lure of the Inner Ring. Though there are serious and difficult consequences involved, we are charged with ministering to the brokenhearted and giving the grace Jesus has given each of us. They wanted to make sure their kids knew the church loved them and didnt abandon them. I was talking with a clergy member about stress maybe a year ago. Specifically, elders and pastors are called to be above reproach. Evangelicalism has a cultural problem. On the other hand, most pulpiteers that I have known were not spiritual men (not Holy Spirit anyway). And everyone would find him tremendously good company. to just go along. In August 2020, an announcement was made to the members of Citizens Church that there would be another meeting with an update concerning Hunter Hall. Hall and Wimberley would certainly be in the running. Excellent comment. Discover more music, concerts, videos, and pictures with the largest catalogue online at Last.fm. . rejection and threats of ostracization, let alone the fires of hell. I think NPD and ASPD account for a lot of men I ran across in these circles. Pastor / Worship & Liturgy. Hunter Hall was a longtime staff member at The Village Church, most recently as the Campus Pastor of the Plano location (until August 2019). Everyone who trusted in Hunter Hall & Isaac Wimberley as religious leaders and representatives of Christ have been betrayed. I love to cook but tomorrow we are going to Cracker Barrel which is amusing since Im a foodie. Though nothing would surprise me either. Keywords: consensual and adult. Lewis wrote an entire essay on that, The Lure of the Inner Ring. The HS is the Gatekeeper. Matt & Lauren Chandler are friends with the Halls they are not just obscure staff members. I suspect that the revolution will come, if it comes at all, from below. Call us at 281-283-2615 or send us Theyre off stream as of this sermon, once this is over, and then they are going to be Citizens Church over there in Plano. Where I live, mothers do still handle the greater burden of child care, but fathers are expected to pitch in as well. Young(ish) Ian McShane, what a cutie. Who is Hunter Hall? All of this began in 2016, but so far no one knows how long this arrangement lasted. Finance Assistant. A sign of low self differentiation and low self worth? Thats the same structure that the Independent Fundamentalist Baptists have. When they fail to do so, it is the churchs responsibility to expose them publicly as a warning to others. Discernment cuts through cosplay. When it is about ideology, its no longer about how you live. Henry Hunter Hall, who was born on April 5, 1997, and is now 25 years old, has emerged as a promising newcomer. Hall was found dead in a hotel room in the early morning of Oct. 22. YOU WOMAN! Friend: More important, some denoms dont offer anything like riches or fame. Bill Decker, Executive Pastor. ishy: Can I start a revolution where mental health assessments are a key part of allowing people to be church leaders? And remember, Calvin was an accomplice to murder. We continue to work closely with Facilities Hunter Hall offers temporary housing for short-term Dee, I would be hard-pressed to come up with the Top Ten Bad-Boy Preachers of 2020 there are so many worthy candidates for that infamous list!Hall and Wimberley would certainly be in the running. The A29 church we used to attend that folded after 12-ish years (1 year after the founding pastor left) At a church-planting conference I attended there, pastors were advised (by someone now an executive director of A29) to plant a church on their own (so that no one elses vision would get in the way), and to immediately gather a group of guys to start training up (and weeding out) into leadership positions. He didnt mean this He meant that, trust me.. Basically these environments do little to encourage dealing with the concept of the self as is and how it interplays with theology and ministry. Dont waste peoples time and money (and the efforts of the personnel at the educational institutions) training people for tasks they arent suited to perform. Some people may more just be on the spectrum but not a full blown PD which goes back to the question if its the environment and ideology messing with people who otherwise wouldnt be that way or is it something already in the person like elastigirl mentioned. ++++++++++++++. Aaron Addison. Never forget that Matt Chandler, who picked these losers (once again), is considered one of the leaders of the gospel boys. Trust me, that ego got deflated. The sin was not confessed, but was discovered by someone involved, and when confronted, Hunter admitted to the sin. Then you have Taryn andAdam and Andres. there have been huge changes across the board in christianland. In my opinion this appears to be a case of marital infidelity involving two consenting adults. Is there a simpler way to describe it that isnt so technical? Christian cultists, whether they admit it or not. Henry Hunter Hall is known for Harriet (2019), Waist Deep (2006) and The Watcher (2022). Given this, I wonder exactly what they discipline. It was never disclosed how long this pattern of grievous sin went on, or when it stopped. However, rumors were starting to circulate about what was REALLY going on with the Halls & the Wimberleys. the women clutched their invisible pearls and the men looked like theyd just been punched, (with a touch of hyperbole), and after a bit of feet-shifting & spluttering, the pastor conceded. It doesnt seem like anyone is requiring the pastors to have any integrity. my old Dungeonmaster, in a post-game recreational thinking session. More important, some denoms dont offer anything like riches or fame. Cheap grace has infected the church. They are our family, and God has raised them up and established them in Plano to do ministry in Plano for the people of Plano.. It is so normalized it can obscure problematic behavior and tendencies, all hidden behind the name of God. However, police insisted Pastor Hall failed the administered field sobriety test," Fellowship Baptist Church said in a statement Monday. This disqualifying sin happened in 2016, but came to light this week. Theres something not right about pastors in their 20s-30s with a hand-picked elder team of same age controlling things. With all of the recent news of Jerry & Becki Falwells strange proclivities and now Carl Lentz getting the boot from Hillsong Church because of his infidelity, Im convinced these stories come out in threes. "Pastor Hall tenured his resignation to the church Thursday after being charged with DUI on Wednesday evening. ME MAN! elastigirl: there have been huge changes across the board in christianland. Room assignments will be confirmed 45 days from the start of each semester. It makes me sick to think that the whole while these men were in front of the congregation preaching and singing they were focused on scoping out the wives in the crowd, probably deliciously imagining future encounters, instead of worshiping the Lord. This does not compute with me. The system of a hierarchy with a guy at the top keeping everyone under him in line. The reason we dont hear much exhortation about holiness and purity is because we dont have a pulpit which is holy. Why then, would we regard money with so much more reverence and importance than the souls of women and men? Youth, beauty, and the latest smart phones are the markers that matter nowadays. That was 30 years ago. I read the No Eden Elsewhere posting last night on the web site, and just wanted to be ill. So I am feeling yet again a gospel goodbye. Rev. Dont ask, dont tell? They have become Christians at The Village Church. Fall 2023 - Spring 2024 meal plans will be available in July 2023. I dont think it was help completely, but maybe itd be a start? Hunter Hall school in Penrith is an independent school for boys and girls aged 3 to 11 years, where we offer a different approach to education, i nspiring children to learn in a supportive, caring and homely environment. Everyone benefits. Satan is the author of confusion. Gridlock'd. Waist Deep. The Third Reich only lasted 13 years, the USSR for just over 70. It reeked to high heaven! I have to wonder if Lake Pointe Church is aware of ANY of this. Until you get that in place, I would be OK with following the Biblical principle of old godly men teaching young spiritually immature men for a season before they are released on the Body of Christ. Bunsen Honeydew: Christianity has become more about having correct ideology than pure hearts and how people exercise the faith. Might even improve things. Hunter Hall is Journey Point's Worship Pastor. And, my board had ongoing assessment while home on furlough. guests. Wasnt Falstaff intended as a comedy-relief character? Too much money and power, and too many eyes gazing admiringly at you, is likely to mess with you, no matter how well you start out. I plan to send them a note myself. You cant go back and erase a bad reputation with outsiders and a failure to live above reproach (I Timothy 3:1-7). 980 listeners The Village Church. there just werent a lot of charged issues. I have to say Im not surprised this happened in a New Calvinist church as Ive said before, the movement is drifting toward antinomianism. The "Praise in Motion Dance Ministry" was established, under his leadership. Over the last several years they have been with us. . He lied to me personally multiple times, and from the pulpit. When I saw it, I immediately asked her if I could post it here. Max: A pastor is standing in front of his congregation week after week, teaching and preaching; a worship pastor is leading moving and emotion-filled music services, appearing to be fully immersed in worshiping God and bringing glory to Him but behind the scenes these two men are exchanging their spouses for sex.. 2700 Bay Area Boulevard, Houston, TX 77058, Sexual Misconduct Reporting and Awareness (Title IX). They have limited their online presence on social media and blogs. Hunter Hall was a longtime staff member at The Village Church, most recently as the Campus Pastor of the Plano location (until August 2019). emily honey: I think a lot about how grandiosity traits are normalized in the socialization into evangelical culture and some of the doctrine. But it gets even worseAfter the leadership at Citizens Church discovered these new details and warned others to stop giving to the Halls & Wimberleys, suspicions began to arise that they had beengrooming other couples to join them. They didnt need an article to expose them, they had been exposed, and didntRead more . The issue was a big ego. That is a noble cause this is, if everything were as it seemed. They are our family, and God has raised them up and established them in Plano to do ministry in Plano for the people of Plano.. Pastor / Theology & Development. What could go wrong? Dee, I would be hard-pressed to come up with the Top Ten Bad-Boy Preachers of 2020 there are so many worthy candidates for that infamous list! it was evening, it was getting colder. But theres a system and construct that keeps leading to this sort of thing. several married couples, a few single women. but still, how did this happen? Just like Pedo Pastors, someone really needs to start a Take-a-Number System. I notice grandiose statements in Christian schools and churches mission, marketing statements all the time. in the cleaning, the disinfecting, and overall maintenance of the Hunter Hall facility.Prospective residents and their families may request a private tour by sending an Fear strikes at the hearts of the men of the NAMB. A person involved brought to light what happened, and when Hunter was confronted, he admitted to the sin. Welcome to the Christian Industrial Complex in America, where anything goes. Evangelicals would all excitedly say Yes! lol But to answer yes is a sign there may be grandiose traits within a persons personality and way of relating to people around them. Thanks, HUG a fascinating article. I will start off the post here and send you on to her website to finish it off. (christianity as wholly distinct from jesus of nazareth/Jehovah-/Holy Spirit). Sexually compromised leaders at a church formerly The Village Church - Plano Campus "I was recently contacted by someone who informed me that VERY BAD things have gone on over at Citizens Church Plano (formerly The Village Church-Plano Campus) which involved the campus pastor, Hunter Hall, and the worship pastor, Isaac Wimberley. That sounds like the apostle Pauls view, as well. Yes, the story involves allegations of swinging pastors and attempts to groom members of the congregation to join in the fun. TV Lovejoy became my archetype of how to do a Rogue character right. He very sternly called them out for tolerating the sin a sin so awful that even secular society would recoil, and went on to instruct the church to cast out the wicked person from among them. Dr. Louis R. Jones succeeded Dr. Smith as the eighteenth Pastor of West Hunter Street Baptist Church. Psychological assessments prior to ordination are required in some denominations, including the one to which my church belongs. Calvinism in general would lead toward that. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them., [] SWINGING PASTORS? Hey! Safe and Affordable Living Options . According to the church's website, Hall had been the senior pastor at Hunters Glen Baptist Church in Plano since 1989. You can also submit your own story idea. And that Elizabethan standards of humor probably differed from ours? Where people are taught the signs of people they shouldnt trust? A person involved brought to light what happened, and when Hunter was confronted, he admitted to the sin. HOME; ABOUT; PERSONAL INSURANCE Menu Toggle. If there is no transparency in the church, it gives non-believers every right to call Christians hypocrites. What did He mean? Sovereign Grace Ministries Immoral behavior by church leaders is becoming far too common. I truly hope those in Colorado do not fall for the reboot with these folks. My kids and I are reading the Plantagenet Cycle plays (Richard II, Henry 4-5-6, Richard III), and, knowing this was a popular, comic character, we were surprised at how utterly repulsive he was, in every way. Then add to that the local groups with multiple sites: besides Village, we have Fellowship, Watermark, Gateway, even Prestonwood has two sites (if they were REALLY into the movement they could easily have several more). I think a lot about how grandiosity traits are normalized in the socialization into evangelical culture and some of the doctrine. You hide behind anonymity and dont even know the truth. Need a place to stay while working at NASA, with a local internship, or visiting the . Once you select a room and a meal plan, you are finished with the housing process. Skip to content. Net worth. If youre elect, then the P in TULIP teaches that youre never out no matter what. And while we're affordable, we're a great value because of how far our degree peer pressure. He was also a member of the band Folk Angel, with worship pastor Isaac Wimberley, who is quite famous in his own right. Swingin while preachin Jesus is a new low point in the American church. Before moving on I need to say again what I just shared, as it is difficult to process on Tuesday of this past week, the elders of Citizens Church were informed that Hunter Hall committed infidelity with an adult member of our church, resulting in him being disqualified as an elder and being removed as both an elder and staff member. Most mission organizations that Im aware of dont let you leave the country without at least one assessment, often more than that. emily honey: I notice grandiose statements in Christian schools and churches mission, marketing statements all the time. Hunter Street Baptist Church, 2600 John Hawkins Parkway, Hoover, Alabama 35244 (205) 985-7295 youd have thought lightning struck, sasquatch materialized, mothman swooped over us, and a UFO started its descent all at once. The enemy of God offers counterfeits to everything, including grace., Association of Related Churches Its the message of cheap grace not costly Grace which gets folks in trouble. They take the risk of presenting a range of viewpoints instead of drilling farther and farther down into the One True Way. Im glad I jumped ship many years ago. At the very least, less Shandas fur die Goyim. He was also a member of the band Folk Angel, with worship pastor Isaac Wimberley, who is quite famous in his own right. (I need to keep reading, but I am so sorry, I am so sorry) You probably have a myriad of questions, and we will be creating space for that, today and in the coming days. It didnt take long before the leadership at Citizens Church was made aware that there was more to the issue than they were originally told. In the aftermath of these revelations, it was discovered that the other adult member that Hunter Hall had committed infidelity with was the wife of worship pastor Isaac Wimberley. You said it elastigirl, you said it. What these two pastors engaged in was pure wickedness. There have been some pastors who started out well until the power and prestige of their positions got to them. Ive known some graduates of a nearby mainline seminary. It is so normalized it can obscure problematic behavior and tendencies, all hidden behind the name of God. They are the parents of three sons, and the grandparents of five. Great comment. You disgust me. Emilie Polk. Instead of worshiping God, the evangel(ical) cult(ure) is leaders that claim to represent/speak for God & the followers that $tep in line, $toop to this idolatry & its myth. The newest of The Village Church's campuses brings the powerful, authentic, gospel-centered ministry of The Village to Plano. Administration organizes but does not subvert agency. Young(ish) Ian McShane, what a cutie. Youll be okay as long as you go to confession and do penance if its venial, at least in the eyes of many lay people. Nobody who goes to bed at eight every night can be a Swinger.. Stan: Well I didnt like that sermon, but this church does so much for missions., Weve heard stuff like this before folks who defend their pastor no matter what Yes, I know he is a bad-boy sinner, but he sure can preach!. This young actor has been active in the business for some time, and he has undoubtedly made an impact on his audience. Complicit, $upporting their Dear Leaders who are all about goons (power), grab (vice), & greed (money). Dont you know PASTOR Superapostle is a member of Gods Inner Ring, a PRIEST as far above us Laity as God is above a turd? These mere mortals have a very strong say in allowing the person to move forward or not. There would be no reason to expose this evil had these pastors not engaged in this immoral conduct. ; the world; I Timothy 3:1-7). elastigirl, you were obviously the smartest one of the bunch in that gathering you will never be a lemming. Main Menu. I dont know how fundavangelicalism does it, but it left me both extremely shocked and somehow not. women spoke their minds as freely as the men. ++++++++++++. The bad guys move along to the next house. I could see this as an outsider (from Growing up Martian); what about some GUBA (Grew Up Born Again) immersed in Christianese Culture since conception with NO outside perspective or possibility of same? emily honey: I think a lot back to the college ministry I was in and where a lot of this stuff starts it was common for the boys and men to use women as scapegoats for *their * problematic behavior. in fact, declares its biblical thus godly, holy, and what God commands. Call Us Today: (325) 673-6414 | (800) 588-6414. Leads to goons (power), grab (vice), and grift (money greed). These people are holy. New Calvinism has a particularly bad case of it. Become a part of our vibrant community at Hunter Hall! The technical skills can be learned as needed, but the human element, things like gentleness, grace and patience, in pastoral ministry is much harder to impart in the classroom setting. Its perfectly manly for dads to wade into rowdiness or do any child-care chore. As I read I could seeRead more , "It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate.". He might have sidled up to the hostess and sought her opinion. It all goes back to 2016, when Hunter committed adultery with a woman in the churchbut the story only began there. Wild Honey: So frustrating thinking about the number of damaged souls left in this wake. Then you have Taryn andAdam and Andres. or meal plans. the group of women i was chatting with started looking around in frustration. i marvel at how christian culture prizes itself on having all the answers to produce elite people, and how sad & inferior the results. I was recently contacted by someone who informed me that VERY BAD things have gone on over at Citizens Church Plano (formerly The Village Church-Plano Campus) which involved the campus pastor, Hunter Hall, and the worship pastor, Isaac Wimberley. 2014 - May 2018. The information I received IS from a member of Citizens Church, who contacted me to write the post. In other words, they keep candidates humble. According to this sermon dated April 7, 2019, Chandler says hes known Hall since he was 16 years old. (its good to have connections, you know). Healthy churches at least live out the example. They have become Christians at The Village Church. This disqualifying sin happened in 2016, but came to light this week. thankfully, jesus/god/holy spirit are bigger than it all. They are done. God will judge those outside. ++++++++++++++++. to just go along. The overemphasis on grace-this and grace-that appears to be releasing these leaders from the obligation to observe moral law. I found that the church kept a yearly record online of significant happenings. By engaging in these terrible acts and being such terrible examples for their congregations, these pastors are opening themselves up to being disciplined by God (if, indeed, they even ARE truly saved to begin with and are Gods born-again children through Christ.) And even told us, anyone who wanted more information/details to help process, their doors were open. I dont think it was help completely, but maybe itd be a start? changes them. The youth group is running the church in many places! the men kept talking. So would I Max. It seems like seminaries and churches could do something similar. life, and maximize your UHCL experience.During your visit/stay with us, be prepared for a safe and healthy-conscious environment, He has a Change.org petition against him returning to ministry!) When it is about ideology, its no longer about how you live. Thats strange because we (the church body) didnt ask and they told, and then we didnt ask again and they told more and more. a remedial explanation: the belief system of The Village Church is complementarianism, in which God commands the husband to lead and the wife to follow. Pastor Christopher A. Wimberly Sr. invites you to worship at Hunter Hill 1st Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia on Tuesday at 7:00pm and Sunday at. Hunter Hall. It never occured to them to a) let me speak in the first place and b) even have me around or invite me in so that I could. Over the last several years they have been with us. Then theyre perpetuated and enforced in those same dynamics and ideas in seminaries and churches when they leave their late teens early 20s. healthy human beings catch themselves at some point, and get themselves on a better track. If a church finance employee embezzled thousands of dollars from their church, do you think the next church they tried to apply for a similar position at would hire them, knowing of their misconduct? In the old SBC model of doing church, young men going into the ministry were assigned associate positions for a season under a proven senior pastor. Most of these guys are. Top 250 Movies Most Popular Movies Top 250 TV Shows Most Popular TV Shows Most Popular Video Games Most Popular Music Videos Most Popular Podcasts. WHO IS HUNTER HALL? which goes back to the question if its the environment and ideology messing with people who otherwise wouldnt be that way or is it something already in the person Enhance your degree plan with a minor. He has never dealt with the truth, since the truth will have nothing to do with him. Ryan Hunter. He, along with Hunter Hall, were members of the band Folk Angel, and Wimberley has gained notoriety for his spoken word presentations, most notably on the album Tell Us of the Night (Christmas album.) elastigirl: the significant part is the wife becomes conditioned to be passive. A move to Colorado might put enough distance between what happened in Plano, TX & a new church opportunity for the Halls. Two dads and all the women actively involved with the kids; other three men (including the dads of the rowdiest children) spent entire time chatting with each other at the table. perhaps they are rather normal, but something about The Village Church culture made them feel like celebrity superstars with power enough to be immune to the rules the apply to lesser beings. Under the leadership of Lead Teaching Pastor Matt Chandler, and campus pastor Hunter Hall, The Village has grown and thrived in a time when seeker-centric and prosperity gospel churches have become the norm. Finance Director. 14,350 listeners . Hes going to be one of the pastors over there. an email at housing@uhcl.edu for more information. You know the old myth that celebrities die in threes, or something to that effect? One example if a person was being evaluated over the course of therapy sessions: I do have questions: At this point both couples had stopped attending Citizens Church, and Isaac Wimberley had served a short stint as a worship leader at Lake Pointe Churchs White Rock Campus, where former Village Church Northway Campus Pastor Steve Hardin is now the pastor. Are you not to judge those inside? Because of that faulty system, the responsibility has now fallen on those of us who are willing to expose these misbehaving pastors so that there is a record for others to find. over 40 minors to choose from, UHCL has something for every interest. Though there are serious and difficult consequences involved, we are charged with ministering to the brokenhearted and giving the grace Jesus has given each of us. Hunter Hall is a certified mediator in all State of Florida courts and can serve as an independent party to help you . We read about their spiritual immaturity and bad behavior every day on TWW. and an overall welcoming atmosphere for all UHCL Hawks. If they are saved, then they will definitely lose eternal rewards they could have earned when Christ judges them at the Bema seat. The church followed through on their promise to support the two families, keeping them on the payroll for a short time. Why stop at Done? Given that both Hillsong and Life.Church have campuses in multiple cities (including DFW) he has a point. Ken Bowling, Assistant. Im convinced that most churches have yet to figure out how to use Google when hiring new staff. Visit the Guest Housing Section. They have effective safeguards for children and adults. i mean, i could easily name names of those whove been glibly fashioning christianity into this, their own image, for everyone else, rejection and threats of ostracization, let alone the fires of hell. I dont get why it is okay to publicly gossip and humiliate them. The associate pastor was not breaking any laws. Hes going to be one of the pastors over there. Most Cults are started so the Cult Leader can (1) Get Rich, (2) Get Laid, or (3) Both. Max: Well, this is the sickest use of complementarianism I have seen yet! Hall was immensely popular as the Plano campus pastor, and was slated to leadCitizens Church, after its roll off as an autonomous campus in late summer 2019. Their perceptions had little to almost nothing to do with what my thoughts or intentions were about a subject and didnt match me as a person at all. judging by the train wrecks that have happened already at The Village Church, this has to be red-alert true of the place. When the New Calvinism bubble breaks (it will), there will be tens of thousands of discouraged and disillusioned followers joining the Done ranks. To be calm @ericgarland, Im cynical enough to think that when it comes to The Village Church and churches that essentially are The Village Church, they could have been having their swing sessions on stage on Sunday and all you hear would be Well I didnt like that sermon, but this church does so much for missions., James beamer, Well, this is the sickest use of complementarianism I have seen yet! the expectation was that wed do something together afterwards. Of people they shouldnt trust train wrecks that have happened already at the least. 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