That hurt our family deeply. On the single count of murder, the jurors needed a unanimous decision. To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for 6 months in 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. If you read the blog, you will see examples of his lack of dedication. (He WAS shot in the back remember). Oh my. Very little is definitively known in this area. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. Robert is related to Linda Knickerbockerpowell and Elna Mae Knickerbocker as well as 3 additional people. This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. The prosecutors in the case said that Diane had committed such a heinous act in the hopes of getting back together with one of her previous lovers, Robert Knickerbocker, who had made it known that he didnt want children in his life. I like your approach. There are no facts? I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? I know that most people think she is guilty. I also found it curious that when Diane was first eligible for parole she was allowed to apply every 2 years thereafter until she either gets paroled or dies in prison. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. But the birth of little Danny did not make this bad boy change his stripes; he remained a cad and a destabilizing force in their lives. Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now Also, the title of the website clearly demonstrates an inherit bias. Lise do you know if the kids have ever reached out to the grandparents/family in the last few years? Nobody near to help. Sad situation. The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. Your prayers were answered. The family moved to Mesa, Arizona, and Diane and Steve worked at the same mobile-home manufacturer. It can safely be presumed, other children told their parents, and that some of those parents reported the disturbing revelation to states Attorney, Prosecutor Fred Hugi. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. It was pretty apparent during the course of this saga that the media and the state were willing to give a free pass to anyone willing to badmouth Diane. It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. All Filters. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. Its a rather large part of the story. She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. A slightly humorous observation is that you said, and others have, that James Haynes physically resembled the sketch. Plus: California man uses Bitcoin to pay hitman to murder his ex; police accuse woman of abandoning baby found frozen to death in 1985; woman who may be victim of alleged D.C. serial killer identified; and Ghislaine Maxwell makes bid for lighter sentence. As soon as Diane was found guilty, Hugi demanded that Diane be evaluated by a psychiatrist before sentencing so they could declare her a dangerous offender and give her a stiffer sentence. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom. They should have had ongoing contact and been placed with family as soon as they were out of the hospital and they never should have been interviewed without their own attorney (Guardian ad Litem) present. That says it all. Nobody knows but her. Mr. This is not the reason she is still locked up. In an earlier comment you stated that Diane had met all of the requirements for parole. On a side note, what do you think of parole of Leslie Van Houton? A steel plate had to be attached and some lead fragments were removed. Disclaimer: Reference to these media outlets or TV shows should not be construed to imply an endorsement or sponsorship of Spokeo or its products. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular: this blog is clearly one sided. They brought cakes and cookies and became friends so they were not going to fight over this. I will change it. Her son ended up in jail and ONeils children accused him of neglect and bad parenting. Seems to me that if that part of the story were true, and she really wanted to find her childrens shooter, she would have provided that information. As it was getting dark and the young ones fell asleep in the car, their mother decided to head home. It was far fetched, unfoundedand convenientlyrelayedby Rule to boost the sales of her book. Much worse. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. Any thoughts on that? Legally speaking, we do not go after people because they look evil or crazy. And some are even contradictory: shes mentally ill, but also not mentally ill; the site owner wants to focus on pure facts, yet ignore other facts; things happened in court, but those are irrelevant to what else what also happened in court, etc. Who Is Robert Knickerbocker? Resides in Scottsdale, AZ. . But without proof, Diane couldnt implicate Steve Downs any more than she could shoot him as he violated a restraining order threatening to beat her AGAIN. Christie said that her mother had pulled the car over on the dark, isolated road, retrieved something from the trunk of the car, and started shooting at her and her siblings. They would have welcomed them with open arms. It is my hope that Leslie Van Houten and Diane Downs are never paroled. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. With over 1,900 locations, Dignity Memorial providers proudly serve over 375,000 families a year. In a perfect world this would always be the case. Except after the idea was subsequently planted in his head only to be alluded to in court, in spite of an agreement to never mention the subject. More often than not, Christie was interviewed by State Agents (Paula Krogdahl, Paul Alton, Steve Downs and Dick Tracy) within half an hour of having her Dilantin increased. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). U seem very one sided on every case Ann Rule has ever written just as u claim she did to u. N her parents didnt want custody of the children just like the father. Robert Knickerbocker in Chandler, AZ Robert Knickerbocker may also have lived outside of Chandler, such as Gilbert and Tempe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. . What this is evidence of is one more piece of the overwhelming amount of bias that was involved from the start of the case. Even on a worldwide scale, the age of accountability is considered to be twelve years old. Just a thought. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. They should have stayed out of it instead of contributing to her revictimization. 5. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. What about the son saying that man and nurses noting that. Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. Not our place to decide. Then, they accused her of shooting her kids at close range. If I feel that due process was violated, I will go there anyway. WTF? Be the first to post a memory or condolences. The whole blog claims the trial was flawed. Lets not take that lightly. The only living witness to the crime was Christie, whose stroke impaired her speech and made her unable to speak to police. Not that Dianes mental health was not a factor in her letter, but it was definitely taken out of context in some instances. Her daughter told the media she watched Small Sacrifices several times. Find Robert Knickerbocker's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading people search directory for contact information and public records. Without the media blast and rush to judgment from the police and DAs office, we might have uncovered the truth. This is a conflict of interest. Diane didnt ask Knick to leave his wife. Downs is a worthless as the day is long.. Maybe you should read the blog before commenting. He needed, now more than ever, to vacate the area asap. I followed the trial. The grandparents were babysitting the children often and had several children who were well adjusted. My question is: why is she still locked up? I am a strong believer that pregnancy can do serious harm to some women. AGE 70s Robert W Knickerbocker Woodlawn, TN Aliases Robert W Knickerbocker Bocker Robert W Knickerbocke Phone Number To find out which of Robert De Niro's films stand out among the rest, Stacker found his top 50 movies based on IMDb user ratings. Insulting a woman in prison since 30 years instead of debating the inconsistencies of this case is pretty pathetic. Thank you Lise. No services are scheduled at this time. She was not in the car when her children were shot. Also on old footage of the trial, as there was no cameras aloud, the drawing of Christie Downs from court artist also complies with the testimony given in the book, as far as her pain and crying. When the trial began, Christie Downs, then nine-years-old, had recovered the ability to speak and she provided extremely damaging testimony for the prosecution. Speculative. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. It probably was not salacious enough for her readers that she polled online to establish if there was enough interest in the story to fill her pockets with a definite blockbuster. If, as Proctor said, it was exchanged right away, and the other Ruger was subsequently stolen by Steven, how was it remotely possible for him to have this info? This website supports restorative justice, so of course it leans towards sentences that are not life without parole if it is supported by a warden and mental health specialists. As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. It is normally done (in fact in many jurisdictions, can ONLY be done) by going through the process in a different state or county then the one the applicant works with. time it was the situation was down. Do you remember a couple of days after that, December And what happened to her little daughter is beyond unethical. You didnt know that?? She said She did it. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. Not hard to go there. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. Downs said that she then faked throwing her keys out of the car into some bushes, pushed the gunman away, and got back into her car and drove as fast as she could to the hospital with her gravely injured children. . If you use this mixed water, you can lift off a gunpowder stain.. While these are all good questions, (and were maybe all asked in the jury room during deliberations) I doubt the answers even matter anymore. Why on earth would anyone recommend leaving the kids with the grandparents? Thats why Diane wouldnt agree to marry unless Knick first signed a premarital agreement that when they divorced, Knick would take nothing from their marriage. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. Everything I outlined should be public knowledge. I dont know that it could get worse than writing an asinine comment on a restorative justice website that states that only respectful and constructive comments will be posted. Thats the problem with high profile cases. The casing from the bullets exactly matched, just like a fingerprint, the bullets that Diane had in her home from her own gun which was never found. This whole case is flawed. If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. The way Christie was coached did not correspond to the reality of the direct evidence. There was no blood on the front seats so Cheryl was laying down and Christie was asleep laying down and never witnessed anything. Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago)? Q. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. We dont know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. All rights reserved. Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? She had the right to a fair trial as much as anyone else out there. As a suggestion, I would love to see a like or dislike button for each comment. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as, To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for, Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared . 2 years in foster care waiting to be legally free for adoption is not that uncommon even today. At least two of those school mates reported Christies tortured confession to their mother They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents. By the way, this not a Diane Downs is innocent blog. It is a lets examine the facts of the case with hindsight and try to explain some of the inconsistencies and the role of the media and crime writers. And lets wonder why the US think that letting people die in prison is the answer when most civilized countries have reached other conclusions. According to her hospital records, every 6 hours she was given 400 milligrams of Dilantin (which is noted for causing confusion). We found 5 phone numbers and email addresses. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife). Reddit is a social news website where the registered users submit content, in the form of either a link or a text post. Guilty or not, the case was handled with prejudice and many errors occurred. Dianes injury had to be quite painful and shewas in shockwhile driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. All these years later, Diane Downs still maintains her innocence. My problem with the circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children is that they were twisted by the media. Id have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico. Mr. Jagger said it wasnt t enough to know a witness had lied, but she would have to prove it. The case is old and the blog dated, but it is never too late to respond. It is in the blog. But Diane couldnt do that. In fact, I am surprised that people are not flabbergasted by the way this case was handled and tried and that what bothers them most is that I try to discuss it in a blog and dare defending this woman. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. One could argue that this blog does not stick to what came out at trial. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. It is not a run of the mill case. Do you remember it would have been around say November 19th of 82 that you would have left Charlene at one time? Police witness reports of strangers and confessions were suppressed or not pursued. Most people described Dianes injury as minor or superficial but in reality, it was a very serious injury. What about the facts of the case? I am not her advocate, but I think she did not get due process. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as Small Sacrifices. But there is forensic evidence pointing to Diane Downs. Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. Hysteria. Police interviewed Steve Downs about his ex-wife and discovered that she owned a .22 caliber gun like the one used in the shootings. What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. If you are not bothered by lack of due process and a prosecutor making up psychiatric labels and adopting kids from a defendant or a judge who gets promoted from family court to criminal court to hang Diane, I am sure bothered by it. Ruger #14-76187; described as the gun used by Diane and belonging to Steve Downs, was not the murder weapon. She did it. What I believe doesnt matter at all. That same gun turned up at a police raid years later in Perris, California, and it did not match the ballistics from the shooting site. They were traumatized and needed familiar faces to feel safe. But the Parole Board refused to hear her. Downs was denied parole in 2008 and 2010. John Shea who played Fred in the TV movie Small Sacrifices even looks like him. 4. They now have social media arenas reminiscent of the Romans cheering at the sight of a thumb down meaning there will be a bloodshed. She even became a surrogate mother to make money and provide two parents the opportunity to have a child. I feel sorry for Diane too. Thats food for thought. How interesting. In her book Heart Full of Lies, Rule took so many liberties with the facts that Liysa Northon sued her. $30k AVERAGE INCOME Our wealth data indicates income average is $30k. Foote then handled the juvenile docket and first encountered Downs when he ordered her two surviving children into state protective custody. In this article, we can clearly see that Becky struggled and tried to justify her woes (maybe rightly so) by blaming it on her DNA. So the prosecutor adopted the kids? Robert Knickerbocker in Michigan. Mind you, it is before the trial. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. 3 records for "Robert Knickerbocker" in "Pima County". Considering that the daughter she murdered will never get a second chance, it will never be long enough unless its for her entire life. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. She has come a long way. UNLOCK PROFILE. And of course, she added her own brand of paranoia, which is to be expected considering her personality disorder and what she went through. She did it. Plus, the circumstances of this charade were more than sinister. Thank you for presenting a side of the story & case apart from the usual narrative. I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. After Diane got divorced from her husband in 1980, she had taken up a job at the U.S. postal service office, and thats where she first met him. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). 132 records for Robert Knickerbocker. As her brother mentioned, it would not be that farfetched for his sister to stop for someone considering that she was a person who lacked impulse control and the era. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. Until the end of the trial. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled Ann Rules Sloppy Storytelling, but she lost and had to make restitution. When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I sayreadthis to understand accounts of people laughing at the wrong time and how it is related to their personality disorder. This blog is riddled with inconsistencies, suppositions and a lack of the most basic referencing (e.g. During cross-examination, she said that she witnessed the murders while sitting up and that Cheryl was sitting up on the front seat when she got shot. Wasnt he the stranger? The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. It was in Mesa that Diane had an affair with a coworker and became pregnant yet again. They examined her clothes also. People can have a certain vibe and act out of the norms, but it does not make them necessarily guilty. When Dianes youngest daughter, who was adopted after being taken away by the state, found out who her real mother was and decided to reach out to her, the media and Rule grabbed hold of her to promote their agenda. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. Diane Downs is guilty beyond any doubt and I do not believe that her daughter was coached. I just tried to find a video or article about Hugi and I only get the one or two that I already have. Phenobarbital was administered alongside the Dilantin. If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? After graduation, the two went their separate ways for a bit, Steve to the Navy and Diane to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College in California. And, while Cheryl died, the other two children survived with terrible wounds Danny was left paralyzed from the waist down and Christie suffered a stroke that left her with a speech impairment. N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. And Hugi seemed pretty sure he would get what he was asking for. Leaving out a lot of info that should be included and presenting a very one sided take on these things. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. They felt safe there. I simply state facts that did not or would not come out at the time or blatant misconduct from a legal system that is supposed to be based on innocent until proven guilty. That is not a quick process and is very invasive to a familys privacy. Diane was pregnant during the trial so if found not guilty, how would she have regained the love of her life? It was obvious to the cops and the prosecution because they proceeded to get her daughter to testify against her because they had nothing to prove she was the shooter. It surely was not due process. YouTube is a video-sharing website where users can upload and watch videos, subscribe to user channels and leave comments. Why? Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. (520) 293-.css-1y2reja{color:transparent;position:relative;z-index:12;text-shadow:0.1rem 0.1rem 0.6rem #089FE4;}JPTD, aka Robert C Knickerbocker, Robert a Knickerbocke. had to wait for Christie to be able to tell them who did it. She is still in prison. A prosecutor inventing a new psychiatric category in court and labeling the accused is kind of unsettling. Mind: Wrongful convicted. Speculative? They came up with an explanation as to why this was the wrong gun but the jig was up. This video of Jagger absolutely looks like the photo that you find on search engines for Fred Hugi. One of the jurors finally declared. We'll help you find the right words to comfort your family member or loved one during this difficult time. Spiritual advancement and atonement? It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession: inflammatory Downs was born in Phoenix, Arizona, in 1955 and attended Moon Valley High School where she met and fell in love with her future husband, Steve. But you sure did comment like a true asshole, huh? Its tiresome. They said so and were told to go back to deliberate. I am interested in the truth. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. It was cited that she keeps her emotions close to the vest. Also known as Robert K Knickerbocker, Robert K Knickerbocke, R K Knickerbocker, R . It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. Pinterest is an online pinboard. You may leave a message for the family by clicking here. 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